Is It Worth Going to University? Part 2 of My #LFE2012

In my second post about the subsequent #lfe2012 session last weekend, I will summarise my views on the panel discussion held on whether it is still worth going to university.

The discussion was set up with the aim to discuss the effect of rising fees and ever growing number of other advanced forms of skills and knowledge training on the decisions of young people to go to university. The overall question posed was whether we should discourage more young people from attending university.

The panel consisted of three speakers: Eric Thomas (President of Universities UK), John Holmwood (University of Nottingham), Isabel Carlisle ( and chairing the session was Alison Wolf (Kings College London).

The session began with Eric Thomas noting some figures from this year’s student intake across the UK, noting a loss in 50,000 students. Losses occurred particularly in mature and part-time students, and a smaller loss in 18 year olds applying, however this could also be linked to the lower number of 18 year olds in the UK this year than last. Considering this was the first year with high fees, and at a time where everyone is being hit by the recession, this was not that much of a surprise and universities continue to look positive for the next year’s cohort figures. He ended stating that he would definitely still encourage young people to go to university, as graduates are still more employable from current employment figures.

John Holmwood agreed in principle with Thomas that he would still encourage students to go to university, but did not share Thomas’s obvious enthusiasm for the excellence of the university experience, and worried that the rise in fees will once again mean that universities cater only to the elite. His concern for this elitist approach to university meant that he stressed the importance of a university degree not just being a qualification for a job, but an experience for life, enhancing student’s personal development. He noted that there is actually declining support amongst university graduates for a university degree, although those who have not attended university yet consider a degree to be highly important. This discrepancy in opinion is concerning, raising the question of what the higher education system is leaving out of its curriculum to produce less satisfied graduates. Importantly, this issue links to the idea of the student experience, and whether universities pay enough attention to students as people and not as customers.

The final panel speaker, Isabel Carlisle, was against encouraging young people to go to university. Her argument rested upon the fact that we are now educating for a future that is very different from the past. Issues such as climate change, increasing population, development all need to be addressed and this is not done purely through academic research. We need young people who work in and with communities learning the hands on ‘know-how’ of these issues and how to communicate and interact with different communities and cultures. This experience, like the Transitions Network she runs, gives young people the ability to learn constantly through a constant feedback process, and to be using their knowledge and experiences instantly in order to practice and improve. She noted that universities don’t have enough community based programmes, and that internships are exclusionary mechanisms.

The three opinions were varied and interesting, and in many ways expected responses from the three when asked whether they would still recommend university. Eric Thomas was reserved with his comments, obviously keeping up the role of president of Universities UK without having to commit to personal opinions. Holmwood did express some interesting thoughts on the state of the higher education system currently, and I think reflects a large number of those involved in the higher education system nowadays – we do not want it to be an exclusionary system, and we want to put students at the heart of higher education, but the question is not whether we would like this, but how on earth we actually achieve it.

Isabel’s opinion was very strong, and did not mention the possibilities of other types of ‘hands-on’ work other than communities. She also did not talk about where the knowledge for the methods of community work come from in the first place – undoubtedly university research! Her argument would have had more substance if there was less focus particularly on promoting her own Transitions programme, and more on the wider benefits of non-university education, or combining university education with practical experiences allowing students to apply their knowledge and research to real life experiences.

I personally see no benefit of either practical application with no appreciation of where the knowledge comes from in the first place (which as a scientist makes me inherently uneasy at the thought of people developing methods for anything without a solid literature review of evidence for why it should be done that way) or university education with no practical application. I completely agree in principle with Isabel in the fact that new generations of learners really do need to approach their education in a different way, and the pertinent issues of today will not only be solved by scientists in their labs, but by going out and putting their work/study into action with the help of a crack team of other excellent students and professionals. The skills young people in university need are then not just those to make sure they understand the logical thought, their specific disciplines and how to do good research, but a range of other skills that allow them to effectively manage and communicate to people from a wide range of backgrounds.

Unfortunately none of the questions from the floor were exciting enough to make it into my post today, but the lack of a prominent one did. Why did no one bring up the fact that the two methods of teaching and learning could be combined? No one commented on the possibilities of integrating practical communities learning with university courses. (Shamefully, I also did not raise this point, although I did take a more prominent part in a later interesting discussion.) Yes, it may be a lot of work, but essentially Isabel is right, we do need to think carefully about how we educate now. Technologies and global issues are changing and evolving quicker than they ever have done before and we need to acknowledge that in order to continue to provide the world with people who can address this change and solve emerging problems. I believe that universities are where we will find the next generation(s) of  problem solvers, and that it is universities who need to think the hardest about how they will maintain their edge as leading institutions (and choices) for further education. This means we (universities) need to consider, amongst other things, deciding on whether we teach young people the underlying basics of their disciplines, or whether we branch out into teaching use of new technologies in practice and/or focus more on field trips and practical work (an issue I will be partially addressing through my job at UCL). It may also include putting what students want at the heart of the curriculum, involving them in their education in terms of content, method and assessment.


2 thoughts on “Is It Worth Going to University? Part 2 of My #LFE2012

  1. Great post as per. Much pondering to be had.

    Wrt the perpetual quote that uni graduates are better employed, I wonder if this stat applies when you break it down into subject areas. I have a sneaky suspicion that for some fields (e.g., natural sciences) it is lesser than, for example, Business etc., and a similar pattern for average and range of pay for these.

    If those kinds of data were available, it might provide some guidance as to where different educational strategies need to be applied.

    • Thanks for the comment! You can get that sort of data on the new Unistats website, which used Key Information Statistics (taken largely from the National Student Survey) which looks at employment rates and average salary on a course by course basis. However to what extent this is accurate is another matter.

      I think even if a course did have excellent employment rates, this is by no means an indicator of the quality of teaching or overall ‘student experience’ of the course. I have seen courses with bad satisfaction levels but high employment rates, which are down to the fact that the faculty or school still has a good reputation with employers and the graduates do know what they need to know, but whether this means that universities are actually developing these students as people, adding to their overall experiences and getting the broad range of extra skills they need is unknown.

      A lot of discussion needs to be had on a discipline by discipline basis for us to understand what is needed and what is not in terms of teaching strategies, and this needs to include teachers, professionals and students to be effective. In the mean time, developing effective evaluations for students of teaching and learning is the best way forward to enhance the learning experience in my opinion.

      Sorry – long reply! Hope its interesting!

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